tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post263864220468161305..comments2024-03-27T04:42:08.504+13:00Comments on Fields of Blood: First Impressions - Age of Sigmar BoxPete Dunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-5974969440806307262015-06-30T09:59:04.947+12:002015-06-30T09:59:04.947+12:00Very interesting to look back... history repeating...Very interesting to look back... history repeating itself, almost like there is a saying in that.<br /><br />I wonder how well that was received and how long before it morphed back into the BRB and army books plan.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672121578958117940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-59194899717202835412015-06-29T22:07:42.778+12:002015-06-29T22:07:42.778+12:00This is very frustrating of GW. Here we are 2 week...This is very frustrating of GW. Here we are 2 weeks away from the complete withdrawal of Warhammer and very little knowledge of what is replacing it.<br /><br />To me it looks like we are having a throwback to some 4th edition (1992) delivery ideas.<br />I've just dug out the rule book to remind myself what it was like.<br />1. We had a 4 page rule summary that took you through the basics of move, shoot, mele.<br />2. There was a bestiary giving the rules, background, and stats for all basic and some special troops. This was 100 pages with only about 10 pages of pictures. It had an index and stat profile summary. Rules included, Men, Dwarfs, Slayers, High elfs, Lots of O&G, Lots of Chaos (Daemons, Beast, WoC), Dark Elves and Witch Elves, Lots of Skaven, Ogres, Lots of Undead, WoodElves, Monsters as a separate section.<br />You could use it to play any army or combo.<br /><br />3. There was also a 100 page rule book (included in the starter set). All the rules were condensed into a 2 page player aid card. At the back of the book were the points values for all the troops in the bestiary and the add ons for weapons, missiles and armour. So, together with the bestiary you could construct any types armies.<br />I'll quote this from the rule book - "While discussing armies and points values we ought to mention the Warhammer Armies series of books." It then describes what is in them in two sentences. They were an optional extra for those wanting to expand their armies and play with elite troops such as swordmasters, white lions etc.<br />4. Magic was a separate box set supplement. The rule book states that you do not have to include magic if you don't want to.<br /><br />To me it looks as if AoS will have a similar approach. I hope that GW either include the rules or inform us when and how they are being released otherwise we will still not know what to expect.<br /><br />Some points values to compare to from 1992 ( a lot are still the same)<br /><br />Black orc 7<br />Dwarf 8<br />Dark Elf 8<br />Man 5<br />Skaven 4.5<br />Wardancer 20<br />Emperor Dragon 750<br />Dragon 450<br />Giant 200<br />Ogre 40<br />Snotling 15<br />Troll 65<br />Bloodthirster 800<br />Juggernaut 70<br />Skeleton 8<br />Zombie 4<br />Swarms 100<br /><br />Neil<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-1659879888025202822015-06-29T20:44:18.866+12:002015-06-29T20:44:18.866+12:00I think you've summed up where I'm sitting...I think you've summed up where I'm sitting perfectly Pete. I just can't see from what we know now this being a worthy successor to 8th Edition in any shape or form. I know some are excited about the thought but I can't for the life of me understand why.<br /><br />It's not as if any of those who claim to be excited have been complaining that 8th ed needed fluff annihilation and to become a skirmish game. How could this be where anyone has wanted the game to go? Jeff Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568554852606287519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-27893562865975085132015-06-29T17:44:57.544+12:002015-06-29T17:44:57.544+12:00If this is the Warhammer version of LoTR and the i...If this is the Warhammer version of LoTR and the impending massed battle rules were along the lines of War of the Ring i'd be OK with that. WoTR was a fun game, and it would be dead easy to get regiment trays made that square bases could slot into (WoTR had these for the round bases).<br /><br />I'm still hoping that the Sigmarines are just a kind of summoned angelic force (sort of like good demons) that could fight alongside the Empire/Armies of Man in the same way that Demons fight alongside Warriors of Chaos.<br /><br />I'm probably just delusional. :-)WallaceRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098556689929200487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-36637104694301768192015-06-29T14:42:23.369+12:002015-06-29T14:42:23.369+12:00I'd agree with you there Nikola. KOW isn't...I'd agree with you there Nikola. KOW isn't a bad game from the two I've played so far, but it's a bit too lean and sleek. I do like that normal line infantry actually have a role, and that magic isn't as powerful. I also like that it's more cinematic in scope (more miniatures) and more linear (more realsitic for edged weapon combat)<br /><br />If we were to house-rule a flee mechanism (just use the WHFB one), a panic mechanism (Nerve test for destroyed units in 6") and maybe have both sides fighting during close combat (both sides roll, halve the damage, both sides take Nerve tests) and I think it would be good. Add in random charges, and it would be very good.<br /><br />I'm going to continue giving KOW a go, let's see if it's better than it looks on first impressions. If not, I'll stick with 8th Edition, if it looks like the Wgtn community stays with it.<br /><br />Or maybe, just maybe, 9th won't be WarhammerMachineHordes, and it'll be an all right game.<br />Tanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-30420036822891763942015-06-29T14:12:24.743+12:002015-06-29T14:12:24.743+12:00The kow mechanics are way to simplified yo satisfy...The kow mechanics are way to simplified yo satisfy someone who played warhammer imo. Part of what appealed about fantasy was the crunchiness of it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09694901392846576231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-39606931729932393582015-06-29T13:43:27.001+12:002015-06-29T13:43:27.001+12:00Nice summary Pete. I think most current 8th Ed pla...Nice summary Pete. I think most current 8th Ed players who still loved the game before The End Times feel the same. McCrae summed it up in a FB post - "If I wanted to play with Space Marines you would think I would play 40K... Major fail GW."Herman van Kradenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02436600778513944817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-59688187669323327262015-06-29T12:17:49.194+12:002015-06-29T12:17:49.194+12:00KOW is worth giving a shot. I have had one game so...KOW is worth giving a shot. I have had one game so far and it does allow a mass fantasy army game. It even encourages it more than no comp WHFB 8th.<br /><br />However in its current form it is limited - so unless they continue to evolve it further it may stagnate quickly.<br /><br />"Stick with 8th" is still looking like a plan BUT we still have a lot more information to come out before making an informed decision. I want to see the rules for AoS and see what the next 4 release weekends entail before making any commitments either way.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672121578958117940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-19612882473431114542015-06-29T10:34:34.666+12:002015-06-29T10:34:34.666+12:00I think the general consensus among current WHFB p...I think the general consensus among current WHFB players is "Stick with 8th" which is great because 8th is a good system.<br /><br />Although i am thinking of giving KOW a shotRunicmadhamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998940858801320118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-69823163123297111372015-06-29T08:57:05.517+12:002015-06-29T08:57:05.517+12:00Up to the end times it's the best warhammer ru...Up to the end times it's the best warhammer rule set I have played it's not perfect but it's a good game Richard Barbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146258437625635671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-56490070973608597252015-06-29T08:55:35.387+12:002015-06-29T08:55:35.387+12:00First glance it looks more like a lord of the ring...First glance it looks more like a lord of the rings replacement they can't have that long left on the licence for it. Maybe there is something coming for us square base players Richard Barbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06146258437625635671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-1260536398144117292015-06-29T08:54:42.629+12:002015-06-29T08:54:42.629+12:00Ah no thanks Dave. I'd be more likely to stick...Ah no thanks Dave. I'd be more likely to stick playing games of 8th if AoS doesn't deliver for me. I've no probs with the 8th Ed rules.Pete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-53981627139052817552015-06-29T08:47:41.540+12:002015-06-29T08:47:41.540+12:00Time to try out some games of KOW then Pete? You&#...Time to try out some games of KOW then Pete? You've already got all the models you'll ever need :)<br /><br />DaveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com