tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post3449997988654260991..comments2024-03-27T04:42:08.504+13:00Comments on Fields of Blood: The Nicon ListsPete Dunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-29238922192973094402013-05-29T20:07:58.889+12:002013-05-29T20:07:58.889+12:00OK, I can understand Pete's comment about the ...OK, I can understand Pete's comment about the 'Dwarf player attitude'. However, I think this is a result of the extremely limited nature of the Dwarf army design, rather than us Dwarf players being miserable sods (but then I would say that....).<br /><br />"Come get me" comes from having the worst movement phase in the game. As Jeff points out, this is the most important phase, and a limitation to M3 infantry and move-or-fire shooters means we'd be fools to try and compete. So it's better to sit still.<br /><br />"Boom, boom, boom" comes from having no magic, and having to acheive the same effect with war machines.<br /><br />"Screw you, no magic phase for you" comes from us having no magic phase, but at least having the best anti-magic in the game. Sadly, this is universally seen as a negative by non-Dwarves.<br /><br />"No, I'm not going to use miners, rangers, Strollaz and Anvil charges" comes from having mediocre combat troops who can't foot it with most other combat units out there. ASL and single attacks make Dwarf troops brittle unless in very large (and expensive) blocks. Fewer blocks means even fewer movement options, go back to point 1.<br /><br />So if GW do sort their shit out and give us a better book, then I predict that Dwarf army behaviours will change. I'm hoping for a form of magic (ie. the ability to focus combat power, particularly into close combat), chaff units (movement options), monsterous infantry golems/chariots/monsters (better, faster combat) and tougher infantry (better combat). Weapons teams, move and fire shooters and entrenched war machines will help (they'll need less protection, and less castling)<br /><br />In return, Dwarves can lose some or a lot of our current anti-magic pre-eminence as well as shooting prowess. They won't be needed anyway, as Dwarves will have more options in other phases. Combat in particular is vital if Dwarves are to be better yet still fit within the fluff. <br /><br />If GW does remove the constraints on Dwarves, I think we'll see more Dwarves in the middle of the board, rather than huddling on the baseline hoping their shooting achieves results in the first three turns.Tanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-32874169625930841072013-05-29T16:13:57.932+12:002013-05-29T16:13:57.932+12:00@John - Pete is no bear! He's a cuddly kind ma...@John - Pete is no bear! He's a cuddly kind man with a heart of gold!<br /><br />@Jossy - No I get Pete's point now, yes I misread it and I acknowledge that I did. It only takes a re-read. :D<br /><br />And to be fare, my attitude is not negative when playing with Dwarfs (and I defiantly don't hold with a badge of honor), I think anything I say that is even remotely negative is simply a joke, I really don't mean anything by it.<br /><br />I do think, if the book was changed (in one way or another) that change would come about in our "negative" attitude. Simon Switzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730143851750822114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-26417472489270534092013-05-29T11:17:56.949+12:002013-05-29T11:17:56.949+12:00"...and Simon stop poking the Bear your going..."...and Simon stop poking the Bear your going to get us all in trouble"<br /><br />No not at all John. He's just confirmed my point - as Tim pointed out.Pete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-64255023519369258722013-05-29T10:54:00.547+12:002013-05-29T10:54:00.547+12:00Half in jest yes Pete but only because unlike Simo...Half in jest yes Pete but only because unlike Simon I tend to lose most of my games when playing Dwarfs. As for the Come and get me out thing thats not how I play Dwarfs I've always preferred charging straight up the middle and positively hate castling, which is why I lose so often - although against some armies castling is honestly the only thing we can do (I mean trying to chase double fleeing skink clouds around the table when your M3 isnt much fun). The "you cant have a magic phase" bit is just us doing what we do well plus it annoys the hell of out of people...<br /><br />...and Simon stop poking the Bear your going to get us all in troubleBloomfield Cricket Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17638828532075913255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-11106367367907514872013-05-29T10:26:58.073+12:002013-05-29T10:26:58.073+12:00Your missing the point Simon. If the changing of a...Your missing the point Simon. If the changing of a single war machine or reduction in the number of dispels you get is such a major change to you, then you have bigger problems than such trivial alterations to existing book.Jossyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18386542471306291066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-49064172161875526732013-05-28T19:25:26.176+12:002013-05-28T19:25:26.176+12:00Really Sam?
I disagree so much its not funny! Fro...Really Sam?<br /><br />I disagree so much its not funny! From my experience running Brettonians at Skinks, I can honestly say Id be hard pressed to lose unless I had some horrid luck or made an epic mistake.Mealshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734877269957694933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-22860137389914285432013-05-28T18:03:26.128+12:002013-05-28T18:03:26.128+12:00OK
Instead of comping dwarves out, after all that ...OK<br />Instead of comping dwarves out, after all that would be racist. How about comping out all troops under 5 foot. Is that heightist?<br />That way we get rid of Dwarfs and Skinks.<br />But not me cos I'm 5'4"Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10496085752361223719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-1421796644671937932013-05-28T17:58:27.803+12:002013-05-28T17:58:27.803+12:00These forums(sic) are entertaining. More hyperbole...These forums(sic) are entertaining. More hyperbole please.Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-50674261132456641932013-05-28T16:46:51.444+12:002013-05-28T16:46:51.444+12:00Haha
Are you really going to start correcting/gra...Haha<br /><br />Are you really going to start correcting/grading my English now? Hey man, what ever keeps you on your horse I guess! lol :D. I mean, I've could have pointed out a few things for you Pete, but I'm just to much of a champ really.<br /><br />Now Peter, show me on the doll where your uncle Dwarf touched you!Simon Switzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730143851750822114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-44819255325137312572013-05-28T16:21:03.310+12:002013-05-28T16:21:03.310+12:00I'm going to! I've got an unkillable tinc...I'm going to! I've got an unkillable tincan flying a frisbee! I'mma gonna have ruby slippers too so I can "Swoop-Swoop *and* Pew-Pew" !<br /><br />Still doesn't change that I find it less boring trying to crack a dwarf castle and more boring trying to stay awake watching my opponent roll endless dice because 50 units of skinks flee 8 times each, followed by 20 spells cast at +14 with 9 extra dice per spell and all ones, twos and threes counting as eights, followed by umpty templates from salamanders and infinity+1 poisoned shots. It's boring because it's not interactive. <br /><br />J (hyperbole - it's got 4 syllables btw) <br /><br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br />ymmijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14405371467490608106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-66266347290989069532013-05-28T16:11:37.840+12:002013-05-28T16:11:37.840+12:00Did you read what I said?
I said it won't mat...Did you read what I said?<br /><br />I said it won't matter if the book changes as the Dwarf player attitude won't.<br /><br />Reading Comprehension = NOT ACHIEVEDPete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-22658612303346219332013-05-28T15:41:31.022+12:002013-05-28T15:41:31.022+12:00Peter! You yourself have said to me that the Dwarf...Peter! You yourself have said to me that the Dwarf book will see quite a bit a change. To start, you said Organ guns will have to roll to hit on several occasions once the new book comes out almost as if you had a vendetta for them to change... And that we won't see multiple dispel runes.<br /><br />If that isn't a big change I don't know what is! I still stand by the fact that me organ guns won't roll to hit but maybe that is just wishful Dwarf thinkingSimon Switzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730143851750822114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-80601459858076148962013-05-28T15:36:10.102+12:002013-05-28T15:36:10.102+12:00Best input I've heard all day Mal, well done.....Best input I've heard all day Mal, well done....<br /><br />lol<br /><br />Chump! ;DSimon Switzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730143851750822114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-25082639516539452132013-05-28T15:11:34.212+12:002013-05-28T15:11:34.212+12:00It doesn't scare me as much. They're gonna...It doesn't scare me as much. They're gonna end up nerfing Slann's anyway.Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-15204680008910950152013-05-28T15:08:53.443+12:002013-05-28T15:08:53.443+12:00Dear Ymmij
Play better
MalDear Ymmij<br /><br />Play better <br /><br />MalTokenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07374282901760356046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-88483671647531000452013-05-28T15:05:58.902+12:002013-05-28T15:05:58.902+12:00Well my comments seem to have sparked a reaction. ...Well my comments seem to have sparked a reaction. That's always good but wasn't necessarily the intent.<br /><br />Personally I think there are always bad matchups for every army but my point wasn't that I can't beat Dwarfs. I'd fancy myself to win 99/100 due primarily to the attitude of Dwarf players. What do I mean by this? That they seem to glorify in the non-game.<br /><br />Comments like "Well if I can't have a magic phase" and "You come in and get me out" are very negative. That with the joking comments John made yesterday that Dwarfs see an 8-12 as an 18-2 or a 10-10 as a 20-0 are only made half in jest.<br /><br />Features of the Dwarf army are not conducive to tournament gaming but Dwarf players (as a group) where it as a badge of honour. That is why I think it is laughable to expect a new book will mean any changes to outcomePete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-9019402546978511252013-05-28T14:57:17.064+12:002013-05-28T14:57:17.064+12:00Or listen to http://baddice.co.uk/daily165/ and en...Or listen to http://baddice.co.uk/daily165/ and enjoy playing against lizardsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13969580090021631625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-46912585563807131242013-05-28T14:38:46.050+12:002013-05-28T14:38:46.050+12:00This*This*Simon Switzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730143851750822114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-34857840759178916302013-05-28T14:11:19.345+12:002013-05-28T14:11:19.345+12:00"Armour loves Skink clouds" Hence the in..."Armour loves Skink clouds" Hence the inclusion of 3 salamanders and tin opening Scar vets with Metal magic for luls. Armour hates skink clouds mate.Sam Whitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00538742779609614713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-40116769601694214422013-05-28T13:53:26.625+12:002013-05-28T13:53:26.625+12:00I shall not be put into flattery good sir!
Well.....I shall not be put into flattery good sir!<br /><br />Well... maybe just a little bit lol.Simon Switzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730143851750822114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-45190956833286598812013-05-28T13:41:49.243+12:002013-05-28T13:41:49.243+12:00All the dwarf stuff is smack talk anyway. I don...All the dwarf stuff is smack talk anyway. I don't mind playing dwarfs but I roleplay hating to play dwarfs. It's all about the culture. <br /><br />I have contemplated myself running a dorf army seeing how well Simon's played.Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-74755864419894206642013-05-28T13:21:36.125+12:002013-05-28T13:21:36.125+12:00Oh that, that's just my dice rolls. All the lo...Oh that, that's just my dice rolls. All the local Club guys will attest that I'm a tinny bastard. I've even had dice auditing. <br /><br />http://napalmelfrebelscum.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/my-dice-rolling.htmlRuneflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-48027942795370983692013-05-28T13:17:23.256+12:002013-05-28T13:17:23.256+12:00^^This, I dropped my Metal Slann down a hole on th...^^This, I dropped my Metal Slann down a hole on the first turn and lost any chance of hurting armour. I would have been tabled given 6 turns. A good player used the strengths of his well balanced army and the nature of the scenario (Battle for the Pass).<br /><br />Also invincible bloodcrushers help lol. I still have nightmares where I'm a Slann casting everything I have at a Bloodcrusher who just laughs away.Jeff Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568554852606287519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-30270184882908156692013-05-28T13:12:10.149+12:002013-05-28T13:12:10.149+12:00Armour loves skink clouds. Natcon game we only got...Armour loves skink clouds. Natcon game we only got to 4th turn and would have got close to tabling him, I managed to push most of his skinks off with my two 3+5+ Bloodcrushers. With skink clouds you got to charge the army synchronously with multiple hard armour targets to force him to double flee multiple times. I managed to cross his lanes so that when he fled, he fled through 4 units instead of 1 or 2. Skink Cloud isn't that scary. As he has no punch other than a 6 dicing Midas monkey you screen with your mass and armour and punch through with your fast stuff. If you move your line up he can't get out of your way fast enough.Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-32866228049049134072013-05-28T13:03:20.772+12:002013-05-28T13:03:20.772+12:00So what have we learnt here today?
Dont play Dwarf...So what have we learnt here today?<br />Dont play Dwarfs, Lizardmen, Skaven, WoC, Daemons, Vampires, Tomb Kings, Empire, High Elves, Dark Elves, Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs, Orcs and Goblins, Brettonians, Beastmen, and even Wood Elves as it wont be fun for your opponent. Stay at home fellas, in case you ruin some ones day...Jossyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18386542471306291066noreply@blogger.com