tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post4862695838280731683..comments2024-03-27T04:42:08.504+13:00Comments on Fields of Blood: Pete Lite Comp - Should the Beast Be Shackled?Pete Dunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-71560367750641447792013-09-03T20:46:20.279+12:002013-09-03T20:46:20.279+12:00Conga-line, and you'll have an everlasting tar...Conga-line, and you'll have an everlasting tar-pitHerman van Kradenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02436600778513944817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-56764158000143105892013-09-03T13:33:52.087+12:002013-09-03T13:33:52.087+12:00to be honest i was intending on running W.Alter wi...to be honest i was intending on running W.Alter with A.lector and Light council but the points just aren't there to play with it all so it's just a basic lvl4 light plus supporting lvl 1 (most likely on metal or possibilty 1 on light).<br />I'm still playing with lists but i could see lvl4 light lvl4 heavens but id have to cut the arch elector...Hamish (Kapiti)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-643738730877050142013-09-03T13:27:58.902+12:002013-09-03T13:27:58.902+12:00Lvl4 is just a points sink, as Sam has found its 4...Lvl4 is just a points sink, as Sam has found its 450-500 points that's to easy to take off especially vs anything with decent magic or posion. <br /><br />His current list is much more danagerous than anything he had running a GUO lvl4Hamish (Kapiti)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-56378526045076261952013-09-03T13:19:00.280+12:002013-09-03T13:19:00.280+12:00The issue with Epidemius isn't limited to Beas...The issue with Epidemius isn't limited to Beasts though. They're just the most obvious choice to synergise with him.<br /><br />S5/T5 Plaguebearer blocks, or S5/T6 drones aren't going to be easy to handle either. And while the name of the game is to impose difficulties on your opponent, that should be harder to do than simply putting a 200 point character on the table who can then hide anywhere, as he doesn't have to be in range to have an impact. Or even be on the table at all if you interpret the rules that way.<br /><br />The benefits of Epidemius are simply not commensurate with his cost and his vulnerabilities. The speed at which those benefits accrue is a major part of the problem.<br /><br />Let Sam have his 13 Beasts, I'd be happier to face them than to face 6 Beasts, 8 Drones and 50 Plaguebearers with Epidemius (with 2 Skullcannons).Tanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111345902716591780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-9822000061659037372013-09-03T12:58:30.228+12:002013-09-03T12:58:30.228+12:00I think we have to be careful with this train of t...I think we have to be careful with this train of thought...Remember the aim of Pete-lite is to take the top off the hard lists...not ETC them to oblivian. <br /><br />with 12 beasts, 2 cannons, minimum core and 4 plague drones there aint many points for BSB and a lvl4...still creates a snooze-fest of a list (honestly dont know why this is aimed for...go play dwarfs!)...but minus a few of the toys so not quite as point and click as it could be.<br /><br />Joel vAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-35918819162696272722013-09-03T12:54:40.373+12:002013-09-03T12:54:40.373+12:00Quoting self: Maybe "If Epidemius, then no mo...Quoting self: Maybe "If Epidemius, then no more than 8 beasts" would do?<br /><br />6 seems stingy, especially if someone has Epi and wants to run pure Nurgle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667314550355220807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-14333478255361451162013-09-03T12:48:00.176+12:002013-09-03T12:48:00.176+12:00I think if he's limited to 1 Skull Cannon and ...I think if he's limited to 1 Skull Cannon and no Empidimus he can have his 13 beasts.<br />otherwise I think your other restrictions @ 6 or 8 (as above)sound good to me! Hamish (Kapiti)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-79417318667264307002013-09-03T12:39:20.990+12:002013-09-03T12:39:20.990+12:00So perhaps the actual restriction should be:
&quo...So perhaps the actual restriction should be:<br /><br />"If Epidemius is in your list Beasts of Nurgle are restricted to a maximum of six (6)"<br /><br />That then allows Sam to still field his "fluff choice" of 13 Beasts.<br /><br />Thoughts?Pete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-3068252004784455272013-09-03T12:37:05.356+12:002013-09-03T12:37:05.356+12:00What nonsense Hamish. Demigryphs are far easier to...What nonsense Hamish. Demigryphs are far easier to buff than virtually any other unit given Empire's access to all Battle Lores.<br /><br />Indeed the most obvious is the Light magic deck which is full of buffs for DemisPete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-82929250740450678582013-09-03T11:27:56.120+12:002013-09-03T11:27:56.120+12:00easily overcome.... easily overcome.... Hamishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-46407483796735507912013-09-03T11:26:44.677+12:002013-09-03T11:26:44.677+12:00yea but Demigryph's are balanced for their poi...yea but Demigryph's are balanced for their points and have very few ways of being buffed in the same way as beasts...<br />1+ ar save can be easily, plus demi's run when they lose combat unlike deamons.. I could always field a steam tank instead of 4... lol.Hamish (Kapiti)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-65585173749845174632013-09-03T11:08:10.920+12:002013-09-03T11:08:10.920+12:00Sam, just ignore the banner unit and tie it up wit...Sam, just ignore the banner unit and tie it up with random chaff and take off all their other toys... 15-5 win is still a win lol.Hamish (Kapiti)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-28571119024591246762013-09-03T09:48:02.214+12:002013-09-03T09:48:02.214+12:00I have 6 plus the two forgeworld ones I'm work...I have 6 plus the two forgeworld ones I'm working on at the moment. (Putting them on slightly smaller bases.) Have resisted the urge to get more.They made mince meat out of my Dwarf gunline, which only got one shot in in their first round. Dirty with a Capital D. I would say 4-6 either Demigryphs or Beasts is still reasonable. Any more and the fun element for the opponent goes out of the game completely. I would almost advocate for a cap of 4 of either. (I would also agree that it is Epi on the portaloo that does the damage in the Daemons list more than a tarpit line of beasts)Herman van Kradenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02436600778513944817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-10320486105557464532013-09-03T09:12:45.986+12:002013-09-03T09:12:45.986+12:00Seriously have only played one game against high e...Seriously have only played one game against high elves so far, they seem to be hiding at the other end of the table. In the end I don't really care too much, I'll just bring what I've signed up for.Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-33396023404026266232013-09-02T19:28:29.896+12:002013-09-02T19:28:29.896+12:00I think Epidemius is the problem, rather than the ...I think Epidemius is the problem, rather than the Beasts. I would red-card Epidemius, and leave Beasts uncapped at the moment. They are pretty nails and cheap as hell, but WS3, S4 is still sorta workable as an opponent. It's only when they become S5, T6 after a mere 14 Wounds inflicted that they become broken.<br /><br />I've only played Epidemius the once, but the experience matched the theory; he's just too good for 200 points. <br /><br />It might be that they need to be capped anyway, but I'd like a further 6-8 months of Epidemius-less Beasts to work out if this is needed.Tanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111345902716591780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-26850077622470479542013-09-02T19:10:25.287+12:002013-09-02T19:10:25.287+12:00That'd be a great comp system through, every p...That'd be a great comp system through, every player gets add one comp restrictionAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188518174996288417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-37732475784627420152013-09-02T16:32:46.716+12:002013-09-02T16:32:46.716+12:00Fortunately this is not a horse trading session. A...Fortunately this is not a horse trading session. And Sam if you are having trouble vs. BOTWD then I'd suggest you rethink your tactics. Personally can't see how you can lose to it with your DoC listPete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-14800528705544864782013-09-02T15:43:17.156+12:002013-09-02T15:43:17.156+12:00Really? Cos I would have thought the stealth chees...Really? Cos I would have thought the stealth cheese part of the banner is stubborn dragons within 12 inches...<br /><br />Joel vAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-88611593377733780972013-09-02T15:38:05.323+12:002013-09-02T15:38:05.323+12:00I'm fine with them being comped if BOTWD not b...I'm fine with them being comped if BOTWD not being allowed to be taken in whitelions. <br />Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-85298175703167868542013-09-02T15:22:13.833+12:002013-09-02T15:22:13.833+12:00Yeah that was a brutal affair by the looks of it. ...Yeah that was a brutal affair by the looks of it. How many demi's you got in your empire list?Runeflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02297119865922626366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-65192543350593904012013-09-02T14:37:15.186+12:002013-09-02T14:37:15.186+12:00lol... whats so bad about WoC? personally id rathe...lol... whats so bad about WoC? personally id rather fight them than skill cannons, beasts and epidemus...<br />Maybe u should play sam a few times vs 12 beasts,Epi, 2 skull cannons etc and then his WoC for comparisons.Hamish (Kapiti)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-52933881568551002532013-09-02T14:23:39.319+12:002013-09-02T14:23:39.319+12:00Maybe "If Epidemius, then no more than 8 beas...Maybe "If Epidemius, then no more than 8 beasts" would do?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667314550355220807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-88447373260498730782013-09-02T14:16:45.894+12:002013-09-02T14:16:45.894+12:00LOl! Lovin' this thread... (Having succumbed t...LOl! Lovin' this thread... (Having succumbed to 12 Demigryfs on Thursday)Herman van Kradenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02436600778513944817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-75253830891113878632013-09-02T13:44:34.176+12:002013-09-02T13:44:34.176+12:00For me, seeing multiple beast units across the tab...For me, seeing multiple beast units across the table sits in the same "fun to play against" category as Bell + deep buses of slaves (as in "not"), however my personal preferences of what is "fun" to play against shouldnt be my primary concern for comp. Both are not broken, but when taken to the extreme they can be.<br /><br />I think a cap on 8 is fine, however I would be tempted to put Epidurmus in the naughty corner alongside Thorek and the like. Thorek is usually banned because no-one likes giving Dwarf players anything + he encourages an Anti-hammer approach. Nurgle Spam + Epidurmus is the exact same thing...a drawn out anti-hammer grind-fest game that in no way enhances the hobby of anyone taking part in the game. <br /><br />Just my thoughts, <br /><br />Joel v<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-13436342203673818552013-09-02T13:06:26.414+12:002013-09-02T13:06:26.414+12:00More from twitter: If we want to comp things, I t...More from twitter: If we want to comp things, I think WoC need it before DoC do. But I have no idea how to comp WoC to tone them down, nor whether it is needed at all. I'd lean towards it not being needed.<br /><br />(Also, are the 'grumbles' arising from anyone other than Hamish?)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667314550355220807noreply@blogger.com