tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post7059581787803867697..comments2024-03-30T01:28:34.826+13:00Comments on Fields of Blood: A Defence of Kings of WarPete Dunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-70666747170292901052016-02-07T10:29:57.900+13:002016-02-07T10:29:57.900+13:00After having watch both Kings of War and 9th age, ...After having watch both Kings of War and 9th age, I think the KOW battles look more like battles between armies and Warhammer based games look more like battles between retinues.<br /><br />I think the last point you make it the most pertinent, find the game you like and get playing. Enjoying your hobby is the important thing.John Tailbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10518208348459114267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-18534953081433074362016-02-06T14:18:13.478+13:002016-02-06T14:18:13.478+13:00I would agree from what I've seen that the lar...I would agree from what I've seen that the large part of criticism towards KoW is coming from ex WFB players and can be summarised as "but it's not Warhammer". A lot of the proposed additional rules or rule changes on forums seem to be based around a desire to 'warhammerize' KoW. These people sure do seem oblivious to all that was wrong with WFB.<br /><br />I miss the fluff too. I'd still rather play Mordheim than Frostgrave, despite the latter being in all probability a better game. It's just not the same, because well.. it's not Mordheim.<br /><br />I think that we're still firmly in the middle of the Fantasy-fragmentation epoch with some playing 8th, some 9th ed, some KoW etc. So if KoW hasn't taken a dominant place yet, or players are trying it and drifting off to give 9th a go or whatever, I don't think it's a problem at all.<br />In due time 8th adherents will wane as miniatures disappear from the range (happening already, check out the 'Last chance to buy category on GW' which is the End Times version for old world miniatures), and no new players take up an old dead system. Likewise for 9th, I don't think it has the long term viability that KoW does.<br /><br />I don't see Kings as a poor replacement for WFB. It's just a different game. What has changed for me in comparative opinion of the two is that while I do miss the old world of Warhammer, I don't miss the game of Warhammer any more. Aside from the horrible imbalance and silly OTT magic and magic item reliance, as an O&G player I was truly sick and tired of having the 'joke' army of fantasy - hamstrung by the only negative army-wide rule while all others had a bonus one, and suffering from 1st army book in the edition syndrome meaning the inevitable successive power creep nerfed the army into 3rd tier status in very short order. <br /><br />With KoW, I can meet opponents on an equal footing that I never could in WFB which alone is enough to make it my game of choice for large-scale fantasy battles.<br /> Essexkiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714951508534861556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-26962996297043253172016-02-05T22:26:04.093+13:002016-02-05T22:26:04.093+13:00I really enjoyed Warhammer 8th Ed (7th, not so muc...I really enjoyed Warhammer 8th Ed (7th, not so much), but it had some serious limitations for me, some of which have been highlighted by KOW.<br /><br />I played Dwarves in Warhammer because I love the character and background, but the playstyle was severly limited. The moaning from non-Dwarf players was constant and wearying. Combat Dwarf armies just didnt' work, and it was becoming a chore to play them when gunlines and gyro spam were the strongest option.<br /><br />Dwarves in KOW, at this early stage, seem to work without gunlines. My troops can fight and win, and they can even maneouvre effectively. Gotta say, this is a big plus for me.<br /><br />The Warhammer fluff was great, but silly and inconsistent at times. Every army was super-awesome in its background even when it wasn't on the table. The permanent 'one-minute-to-midnight' setting got a bit boring after a while. The Mantic fluff isn't bad so far, and it has a lot of space and time to get better.<br /><br />Army building wasn't really all that much of an art for me; the huge array of choice was less than it seemed; who ever saw a Dark Elf Fleetmaster, Empire spearmen or the Sword of Strife?<br /><br />I do not miss the extent to which Warhammer was unbalanced. It's not perfect in KOW, but my few games so far have normally been close run affairs right to the end. Apart from deployment mistakes on my part, I've hardly ever had that Warhammer feeling of being in a game I'm probably not going to win before we even start.<br /><br />I do miss some elements of Warhammer; random charges gave an element of uncertainty that is quite realistic in practice. But so far at least, KOW is filling the 'mass fantasy combat' niche for me very well.Tanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111345902716591780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-47536289048221689912016-02-05T21:57:02.051+13:002016-02-05T21:57:02.051+13:00See I haven't seen any of that here in NZ. Guy...See I haven't seen any of that here in NZ. Guys aren't saying "change KoW to WHFB" rather they are saying rhat it's different and they miss Warhammer. <br /><br />I know one of the international forums are different - every day seems there is some new rule proposed on the Mantic Forum. <br /><br />What I'm seeing here more is that guys say KoW doesn't fill the hole WHFB left. My contention is that I think there are some rose tinted recollections. <br /><br />Nobody misses the lack of FAQs, the holes immediately found in the some rules upon release, the lack of internal balance and the horror of the the ET force org changesPete Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352990006052067650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2342928539214422457.post-9234812869787762602016-02-05T20:27:27.872+13:002016-02-05T20:27:27.872+13:00All the criticism I read of KoW seems to be from p...All the criticism I read of KoW seems to be from people wanting it just to be 8th Ed.again. Well if they like 8th Ed.that much they should just play it. Otherwise leave KoW for those that appreciate it for what it is, a different game for different times. Osbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04781014967319806318noreply@blogger.com